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meciboy




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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:03 am
Post subject: cold-starting problem with 1995 Accord

Have a 1995 Accord, recently i have difficulty getting it started when it sits over-night or its wet/damp outside. Once it's running its great, always starts and gets 30 MPG with 190K on the engine. Have taken it to the mechanic twice. First time he replaced two spark plugs because they were mis-gapped. Second time he said it was the battery, which was bad and has been replaced. The engine turns over (sometimes 10 or more times) but will not fire, and now sometimes i turn the key and nothing happens. Have a newer starter but all ignition components are original along with fuel injectors and fuel filter ( i heard this is a bitch to replace). For the first 30 seconds or so the engine sounds like its missing until it kind of warms up. Any help?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:14 am
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meciboy wrote:
> Have a 1995 Accord, recently i have difficulty getting it started when
> it sits over-night or its wet/damp outside. Once it�s running its
> great, always starts and gets 30 MPG with 190K on the engine. Have
> taken it to the mechanic twice. First time he replaced two spark plugs
> because they were mis-gapped. Second time he said it was the battery,
> which was bad and has been replaced. The engine turns over (sometimes
> 10 or more times) but will not fire, and now sometimes i turn the key
> and nothing happens. Have a newer starter but all ignition components
> are original along with fuel injectors and fuel filter ( i heard this
> is a bitch to replace). For the first 30 seconds or so the engine
> sounds like its missing until it kind of warms up. Any help?
>
1. find a new mechanic that knows what they're doing.
2. discover the importance of injector cleaner.
3. look into the famous honda ignition switch problem if not that,
check the chassis earth connections..

i think you have two problems - flooding from leaky injectors causes
starting problems if left overnight. read the owners manual on how to
start a flooded engine. [and don't buy cheap gas and use injector
cleaner regularly.] also, the ignition switch electrics can be
unreliable. the switch is easy enough to replace. check the earth
connections first though.

definitely find a new mechanic. independent honda trained people exist
and are not too expensive - you just need to find one.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:55 am
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> Have a 1995 Accord, recently i have difficulty getting it started when
> it sits over-night or its wet/damp outside. Once its running its
> great, always starts and gets 30 MPG with 190K on the engine. Have
> taken it to the mechanic twice. First time he replaced two spark plugs
> because they were mis-gapped. Second time he said it was the battery,
> which was bad and has been replaced. The engine turns over (sometimes
> 10 or more times) but will not fire, and now sometimes i turn the key
> and nothing happens. Have a newer starter but all ignition components
> are original




There's likely your problem. The wires are too old.

HT current is leaking off or shorting through the plug boot before it gets
to jump the plug gap.

Replace the wires with new OEM, not aftermarket. Bet the problem goes away.



> along with fuel injectors and fuel filter ( i heard this
> is a bitch to replace). For the first 30 seconds or so the engine
> sounds like its missing until it kind of warms up.



It's "missing" until warmup? Dead giveaway. It IS missing...because of
ancient wires.

You can use injector cleaner if you like, but it will neither hurt nor help
in this case.


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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:24 am
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Thanks for the info. did have the starter replaced because it was free under warranty. That ignition problem hasn't happened again. I am going towards the fuel injector route now, i'm going to run some expensive injector cleaner with higher octane gas next fill-up and see if i notice any difference. Don't know if i want to go as far as cleaning them off the engine. Thanks for the advice.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:29 am
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Did replace the wires but they were generic crap and didn't fit right-i took them back, i know i should always stay with OEM for Honda's. Going to go with injector cleaner first before i start replacing anything, the mechanic says Honda wires should be good for life? I'm not so sure. Thanks for the advice
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:55 pm
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> Did replace the wires but they were generic and didnt fit right-i
> took them back, i know i should always stay with OEM for Hondas.
> Going to go with injector cleaner first before i start replacing
> anything, the mechanic says Honda wires should be good for life? Im
> not so sure.



Absolutely not. The wires are good for maybe seven years. After that the
insulation begins to break down, allowing moisture to wick current away
from the core.

You NEED to replace the entire high-tension side. That means wires, plugs,
cap and rotor. Failure to do this will result in worsening starting
problems and eventual coil/igniter failure.




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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:55 pm
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Tegger wrote:
> meciboy wrote in
>
>
>> Did replace the wires but they were generic and didn�t fit right-i
>> took them back, i know i should always stay with OEM for Honda�s.
>> Going to go with injector cleaner first before i start replacing
>> anything, the mechanic says Honda wires should be good for life? I�m
>> not so sure.
>
>
>
> Absolutely not. The wires are good for maybe seven years. After that the
> insulation begins to break down, allowing moisture to wick current away
> from the core.
>
> You NEED to replace the entire high-tension side. That means wires, plugs,
> cap and rotor. Failure to do this will result in worsening starting
> problems and eventual coil/igniter failure.
>

i haven't always enjoyed the greatest results with honda oem wires.
while they are definitely better than cheapo generic garbage from the
local parts store, they're not the best.

among alternatives:
1. ngk standard core are good quality leads, widely available and
competitively priced. easily as good as oem.

2. ngk coiled core are absolutely excellent - coiled core is the best
kind of lead to use. they definitely make the car run better at low
rpm's, starting is quicker and most importantly, they get rid of
electrical noise throughout the system.

3. even better than that are are magnecor leads. but they're not as
straight forward to use as the leads are thicker than oem. and the
connectors look a little funky, if you care about such things.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:16 pm
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Great advice, you're right, the mechanic did say he sprayed water on the engine and it ran bad until it dried off, this makes sense that the wires are worn. Will replace wires , cap, and rotor. Thanks
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